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		<title>By: ramblingperfectionist</title>
		<link>http://ramblingperfectionist.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/miley-cyrus-and-child-pornography/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>ramblingperfectionist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe this is just my elitism peeking through, but I don&#039;t think what &quot;most men think&quot; has anything to do with whether or not this is art. Maybe the mark of a great artist is that it takes tomorrow&#039;s society to appreciate her art: one step ahead of the common man, so to speak. As to whether she can do it with her clothes on, maybe she can, but meanwhile at least compared with the fully clothed shots we&#039;ve seen so far this one expresses it far better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this is just my elitism peeking through, but I don&#8217;t think what &#8220;most men think&#8221; has anything to do with whether or not this is art. Maybe the mark of a great artist is that it takes tomorrow&#8217;s society to appreciate her art: one step ahead of the common man, so to speak. As to whether she can do it with her clothes on, maybe she can, but meanwhile at least compared with the fully clothed shots we&#8217;ve seen so far this one expresses it far better.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://ramblingperfectionist.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/miley-cyrus-and-child-pornography/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can&#039;t she express her &quot;vulnerability&quot; and &quot;emerging womanhood&quot; with clothes on? There are much more artistic ways to go about demonstrating that than this. Most of the men I know would not see this as art; they&#039;d see it as sexualized. As much as we&#039;d like to think it is art, it&#039;s not- not in today&#039;s society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t she express her &#8220;vulnerability&#8221; and &#8220;emerging womanhood&#8221; with clothes on? There are much more artistic ways to go about demonstrating that than this. Most of the men I know would not see this as art; they&#8217;d see it as sexualized. As much as we&#8217;d like to think it is art, it&#8217;s not- not in today&#8217;s society.</p>
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		<title>By: ramblingperfectionist</title>
		<link>http://ramblingperfectionist.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/miley-cyrus-and-child-pornography/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>ramblingperfectionist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 06:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the delay, had a lot of traveling to do...

I must admit I don&#039;t know quite how to respond to your particular-and obviously popular-point of view. The only response I can think of is the one that I&#039;ve already given, after your first comment: give her a little credit. Sure, its likely that she&#039;s being manipulated into doing some things she may not want to do, like all the rest of us, but I honestly don&#039;t know if I can call it &quot;abuse&quot;. Why not grant her the respect she deserves just for surviving this long by giving her at least the same capacity for intelligent decision making-in terms of WHAT SHE WANTS- that you would assume in a normal 15 year old?

Yet again: you have some curious ideas about what whores look like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the delay, had a lot of traveling to do&#8230;</p>
<p>I must admit I don&#8217;t know quite how to respond to your particular-and obviously popular-point of view. The only response I can think of is the one that I&#8217;ve already given, after your first comment: give her a little credit. Sure, its likely that she&#8217;s being manipulated into doing some things she may not want to do, like all the rest of us, but I honestly don&#8217;t know if I can call it &#8220;abuse&#8221;. Why not grant her the respect she deserves just for surviving this long by giving her at least the same capacity for intelligent decision making-in terms of WHAT SHE WANTS- that you would assume in a normal 15 year old?</p>
<p>Yet again: you have some curious ideas about what whores look like.</p>
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		<title>By: Anja</title>
		<link>http://ramblingperfectionist.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/miley-cyrus-and-child-pornography/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Anja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 02:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say the photo in question shows the &#039;vulnerability&#039; of a girl on the verge of womanhood. I, and many others, do not see it that way. And I&#039;m in no way a conservative.

Of course the girl had no problems with the picture. She has been encouraged all her life to &#039;perform&#039;. And the *only* reason she developed a problem with it was due to Disney being a bit miffed about their product looking like a whore.

You say this is simple - this is art - it shows her &#039;vulnerability&#039; etc.

What this shows is how easily teen celebrities will be manipulated by parents/promoters/managers. They *used* her for controversy, used her &#039;vulnerability&#039; and exposed her. Sure, she may be loving the publicity. It&#039;s kept her front cover for more time than she deserves. But this is not art. This is the blatant abuse of the &#039;vulnerability&#039; of Miley Cyrus - Miley Cyrus, the product, owned by Disney and sold out by her parents.

Yes, rambling one... there is a whole lot more to this than a half naked girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say the photo in question shows the &#8216;vulnerability&#8217; of a girl on the verge of womanhood. I, and many others, do not see it that way. And I&#8217;m in no way a conservative.</p>
<p>Of course the girl had no problems with the picture. She has been encouraged all her life to &#8216;perform&#8217;. And the *only* reason she developed a problem with it was due to Disney being a bit miffed about their product looking like a whore.</p>
<p>You say this is simple &#8211; this is art &#8211; it shows her &#8216;vulnerability&#8217; etc.</p>
<p>What this shows is how easily teen celebrities will be manipulated by parents/promoters/managers. They *used* her for controversy, used her &#8216;vulnerability&#8217; and exposed her. Sure, she may be loving the publicity. It&#8217;s kept her front cover for more time than she deserves. But this is not art. This is the blatant abuse of the &#8216;vulnerability&#8217; of Miley Cyrus &#8211; Miley Cyrus, the product, owned by Disney and sold out by her parents.</p>
<p>Yes, rambling one&#8230; there is a whole lot more to this than a half naked girl.</p>
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		<title>By: ramblingperfectionist</title>
		<link>http://ramblingperfectionist.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/miley-cyrus-and-child-pornography/#comment-93</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I find most classics boring-isn&#039;t that what Lolita is almost universally considered as? A classic? You don&#039;t have to condone the actions of the characters, all the novel demands is that you accept that some people feel that way. In any case, that considers a different question, namely the twisted realities of human nature. This is far simpler: you can hardly deny that this 15-year old in particular is quite &quot;vulnerable&quot;, and you can hardly deny that the photo brings it out. To quote from a previous comment, &quot;the line that divides liberals and conservatives is the same line that divides sexuality in art and pornography.&quot; Assuming that&#039;s true and this a subjective issue, it is up to the girl to decide what the picture represents and how she wants to be seen. And the comments on the Vanity Fair article clearly indicate that till people started calling her a porn star, she had no problems whatsoever with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I find most classics boring-isn&#8217;t that what Lolita is almost universally considered as? A classic? You don&#8217;t have to condone the actions of the characters, all the novel demands is that you accept that some people feel that way. In any case, that considers a different question, namely the twisted realities of human nature. This is far simpler: you can hardly deny that this 15-year old in particular is quite &#8220;vulnerable&#8221;, and you can hardly deny that the photo brings it out. To quote from a previous comment, &#8220;the line that divides liberals and conservatives is the same line that divides sexuality in art and pornography.&#8221; Assuming that&#8217;s true and this a subjective issue, it is up to the girl to decide what the picture represents and how she wants to be seen. And the comments on the Vanity Fair article clearly indicate that till people started calling her a porn star, she had no problems whatsoever with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anja</title>
		<link>http://ramblingperfectionist.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/miley-cyrus-and-child-pornography/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Anja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vulnerability, dude. You said it.

I suppose you&#039;re a big fan of Nabukov&#039;s &quot;Lolita&quot; as well.

Art, crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vulnerability, dude. You said it.</p>
<p>I suppose you&#8217;re a big fan of Nabukov&#8217;s &#8220;Lolita&#8221; as well.</p>
<p>Art, crap.</p>
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		<title>By: ramblingperfectionist</title>
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		<dc:creator>ramblingperfectionist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 08:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s 15. I&#039;m 19. Admittedly, I have grown a lot in the last 4 years, had most of the formative experiences of my life and what-not, but this particular girl has already been through what will be the biggest change of her life, the fame and the money and the adoration and the constant public scrutiny. 

The point of this post was very simple: it&#039;s not a photo for the sake of titillation,its art, and she&#039;s not so young or naive or whatever that you should erupt at the way she&#039;s posing just because of her age. 

Also, I disagree that it looks like she&#039;s just been laid. That is one way of looking at it, but you could just as well consider it the way I put it in the post: it&#039;s a shot that exposes the vulnerability of a young girl on the verge of womanhood. That implies a certain sexuality, but not necessarily what you said. And I most vehemently disagree with your implied notion that because she has a child audience her life is not her own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s 15. I&#8217;m 19. Admittedly, I have grown a lot in the last 4 years, had most of the formative experiences of my life and what-not, but this particular girl has already been through what will be the biggest change of her life, the fame and the money and the adoration and the constant public scrutiny. </p>
<p>The point of this post was very simple: it&#8217;s not a photo for the sake of titillation,its art, and she&#8217;s not so young or naive or whatever that you should erupt at the way she&#8217;s posing just because of her age. </p>
<p>Also, I disagree that it looks like she&#8217;s just been laid. That is one way of looking at it, but you could just as well consider it the way I put it in the post: it&#8217;s a shot that exposes the vulnerability of a young girl on the verge of womanhood. That implies a certain sexuality, but not necessarily what you said. And I most vehemently disagree with your implied notion that because she has a child audience her life is not her own.</p>
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		<title>By: Anja</title>
		<link>http://ramblingperfectionist.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/miley-cyrus-and-child-pornography/#comment-90</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 08:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plenty of people are just as sickened or even more sickened by the daddy/daughter pose. The point is... the kid, and she still is a kid, is looking like she&#039;s just been laid. And this &#039;kid&#039; has a child audience who want to do everything like her. 

There&#039;s a fine line between porn and art, and this sits right on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plenty of people are just as sickened or even more sickened by the daddy/daughter pose. The point is&#8230; the kid, and she still is a kid, is looking like she&#8217;s just been laid. And this &#8216;kid&#8217; has a child audience who want to do everything like her. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a fine line between porn and art, and this sits right on it.</p>
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		<title>By: ramblingperfectionist</title>
		<link>http://ramblingperfectionist.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/miley-cyrus-and-child-pornography/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>ramblingperfectionist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 07:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erm... sincerest apologies, but my point wasn&#039;t some Christ-like betrayal by her followers any way. My point was just that you&#039;d equate an artistic shot with a not particularly high proportion of actual nudity to...well, you know the details of THAT story. Besides, you said &quot;&lt;em&gt;Miley, or MRC as I like to call her&lt;/em&gt;&quot;, and I assumed that if you gave her a nickname you probably were, in fact, a fan :).

Also, to add my 2 cents to the comments on your blog, the father-daughter pose disturbed me more,too, I just thought if no one else saw it it must be just my perviness :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm&#8230; sincerest apologies, but my point wasn&#8217;t some Christ-like betrayal by her followers any way. My point was just that you&#8217;d equate an artistic shot with a not particularly high proportion of actual nudity to&#8230;well, you know the details of THAT story. Besides, you said &#8220;<em>Miley, or MRC as I like to call her</em>&#8220;, and I assumed that if you gave her a nickname you probably were, in fact, a fan <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Also, to add my 2 cents to the comments on your blog, the father-daughter pose disturbed me more,too, I just thought if no one else saw it it must be just my perviness <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: thegirlfromtheghetto</title>
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		<dc:creator>thegirlfromtheghetto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And what do her fans say?&quot;  I am not a fan, get it straight.

The Girl from the Ghetto</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And what do her fans say?&#8221;  I am not a fan, get it straight.</p>
<p>The Girl from the Ghetto</p>
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